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Eric Coleman
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Posted - Dec 28 2004 :  5:02:59 PM  Show Profile  Visit Eric Coleman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Look at Google's page here.

My idea for a vbgamer version would be to simply list recent google queries that lead people to this website. I got the idea from looking at the server logs and the listing of things that people are searching for. I think it would be an interesting idea to focus on what people want, such as creating tutorials or articles for some of the following things that have appeared in the logs: alphablending.dll, dsetup.dll, isometric tiles, direct3d device, fps counter, suppressunmanagedcodesecurity, vb game engine, drawprimitiveup, createtexturefromresource, and lots more.

Is this a good or bad idea? Even if I created such a page, would anyone here even use it?



cbx
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Posted - Dec 28 2004 :  6:59:30 PM  Show Profile  Visit cbx's Homepage  Send cbx an ICQ Message  Click to see cbx's MSN Messenger address  Send cbx a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Are you talking a redesign of the vbgamer web site? or just adding a new module to the main page containing a list of things people are searching for that has led them to the vbgamer site (clicking on the link would bring them to the article or game hosted on the vbgamer site)?

I kinda understand what your asking but not entrely. Me/We needs more info...


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AutoAim
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Posted - Dec 28 2004 :  6:59:57 PM  Show Profile  Visit AutoAim's Homepage  Send AutoAim an AOL message  Send AutoAim an ICQ Message  Click to see AutoAim's MSN Messenger address  Send AutoAim a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
I like to look at Google's Zeitgeist, not sure why but yeah that would be a great idea, it could help in what people are looking for in game programming.

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Eric Coleman
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Posted - Dec 29 2004 :  09:06:37 AM  Show Profile  Visit Eric Coleman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Cbx: Nothing but another page that lists google keywords.

Autoaim: I like looking at their Zeitgeist as well. It's almost as if you get a sense of what motivates people or what they desire.
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Eric Coleman
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Posted - Dec 30 2004 :  01:19:06 AM  Show Profile  Visit Eric Coleman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
This zeitgeist is more difficult than I thought it would be. There are some static html pages that are in google's index, so a lot of people are reaching those pages first. Since they're static (plain html pages) I can't call any asp code from them to check the referer, etc. I added some noindex and nocache meta tags to them to prevent google from indexing and cachining them the next time it updates. It will take a few months before the pages disappear. Untill then the zeitgeist will probably only report a small percent of google traffic and keywords.

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Eric Coleman
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Posted - Dec 31 2004 :  3:32:28 PM  Show Profile  Visit Eric Coleman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Only a single day's worth of data, http://www.vbgamer.com/zeitgeist.asp . As I said in the previous post, data isn't collected for some of the static pages still in the google database, however, it's starting to look interesting.
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cbx
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Posted - Dec 31 2004 :  4:42:59 PM  Show Profile  Visit cbx's Homepage  Send cbx an ICQ Message  Click to see cbx's MSN Messenger address  Send cbx a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Eric Coleman

Only a single day's worth of data, http://www.vbgamer.com/zeitgeist.asp . As I said in the previous post, data isn't collected for some of the static pages still in the google database, however, it's starting to look interesting.



Sweet, that IS a good feature to have! Now when people want to create a tutorial for the vbgamer site thay can simply refer to the Zeitgeist page for insite as to what topic the tutorial should be on.


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cbx
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Posted - Jan 01 2005 :  02:27:06 AM  Show Profile  Visit cbx's Homepage  Send cbx an ICQ Message  Click to see cbx's MSN Messenger address  Send cbx a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
One thing though. I did a google search for "vbgamer" and sure enough it was registered on the Zeitgeist page. But I think it may be a good idea to automatically subtract from the values from the items in the list every so often so that people can't fool around with it and repeatedly do a google search and skew the results listed on the page.

It would also allow for the listed items to remain current as to what people to what are searching for and had led them to the vbgamer site.

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Edited by - cbx on Jan 01 2005 02:28:35 AM
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Eric Coleman
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Posted - Jan 01 2005 :  11:47:17 AM  Show Profile  Visit Eric Coleman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
There still seems to be some bugs in my SQL queries. It's such a simple database, but the SQL queries never seem to return the result that's needed.

What values in the list should I subtract from? As for being current, it displays today's and yesterday's search queries. Or did you have something else in mind?
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cbx
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Posted - Jan 01 2005 :  3:13:07 PM  Show Profile  Visit cbx's Homepage  Send cbx an ICQ Message  Click to see cbx's MSN Messenger address  Send cbx a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Eric Coleman

There still seems to be some bugs in my SQL queries. It's such a simple database, but the SQL queries never seem to return the result that's needed.

What values in the list should I subtract from? As for being current, it displays today's and yesterday's search queries. Or did you have something else in mind?




So the listed items are only from the last 2 days of google referals?

I'm thinking of two Zeitgeist lists one listing the current (last few days) google searches, and one listing the total google searches.

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Eric Coleman
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Posted - Jan 01 2005 :  6:04:55 PM  Show Profile  Visit Eric Coleman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Scroll down the page :-) There is a list of the top 10, which is overall, and then it lists all of today's and yesterday's searches. And yes, the data is only 2 days old.
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Eric Coleman
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Posted - Jan 05 2005 :  10:51:17 PM  Show Profile  Visit Eric Coleman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I do plan on making the zeitgeist either searchable or browseable, such as viewing search phrases on a particular day. Has anyone been monitoring some of the searches that have been going on? So far the search phrases are really interesting.
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cbx
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Posted - Jan 05 2005 :  10:59:50 PM  Show Profile  Visit cbx's Homepage  Send cbx an ICQ Message  Click to see cbx's MSN Messenger address  Send cbx a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
I've been monitoring the page and I am finding it a little surprising people just type "vb" as a search term rather then specifing "vb 5" or "vb 6".

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VBBR
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Posted - Jan 06 2005 :  06:11:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
# Visual Basic Turtorials
# vb.net "quake 3" movement
# could not initialize directx renderer

God knows what a "turtorial" is... LOL

["quake 3" movement] is a good one. Looks like to me the person was thinking about "how to create a quake 3 clone in vb.net because i liked playing it but i dont know how to program". Someone a little more clever would have wrote "WASD movement", I think.

The third is an interesting one. I mean, how come this led here? (also shows the crappiness of DX )

Whatever. Who knows...
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