VBGamer

have a look at http://www.vbexplorer.com/directx4vb/asptest/home.asp to see what I've come up with so far... Printable will be fine, I'm keeping it as black text on a white background, otherwise anyone readin my stuff will have serious eye injuries ;) Lorn, thanks for the offer - but I might have sorted it out, the only stumbling point is the actual technical side, once thats sorted I'm fine... and I think I am... Jack;